New battle front in the Indian recruitment space.. 新战线在印度招募的空间.. Joel Spolksy shows the way 乔尔Spolksy显示方式

by Amit Ranjan on Apr 28, 2007 作者 : Amit Ranjan07年四月二十八日

If you live in India, you couldn’t have missed the slugfest between Timesjobs & Naukri currently playing in the newspapers, national television & local radio.如果你住在印度,你couldnâ € ™吨错过了一幕之间TimesjobsNaukri正在播放的报纸,国家电视台和地方广播电台。 While that battle (actually just a media blitzkrieg, for Timesjob’s claims are hopelessly presumptuous) is for the ‘quantity’ dimension in the recruitment wars on Indian soil, there is another front that has been opened to address its ‘quality’ dimension.虽然这一战役(实际上只是一个媒体闪击战,为Timesjobâ € ™语索赔是无可救药放肆)â € 〜 quantityâ € ™层面招募战争对印度的土壤,有另一条战线已经打开,解决 A € 〜 qualityâ € ™层面。 And this comes straight out of American shores.这是连续进行的美洲海岸。 For, Joel Spolsky (who doesn’t know him) has just launched a dedicated jobboard for Indian tech professionals . JoelonSoftware is easily one of the most popular tech blogs and it gets serious eyeballs from gifted coders & serious hackers. Why am I writing about this seemingly trivial happening? Well, I think Joel has done something quite remarkable; sitting in New York, he has diagnosed a critical problem afflicting technology recruitments in India and is trying to monetize this opportunity.因为, 乔尔Spolsky (谁doesnâ € ™知道他)刚推出一个专门的jobboard印度高科技人才。 JoelonSoftware很容易的一个最热门的高科技博客和它得到严重的眼球从天赋的程序员和严重的黑客攻击。 为什么我会写这看似微不足道的事情发生?嗯,我想乔尔已经做了相当显着;在纽约召开会议,他已确诊的关键技术问题困扰着印度的招聘,并试图借此机会赚钱。 I think this is going to grow into a trend, wherein the blogosphere plays a crucial role in recruiting key tech personnel.我认为这是要发展成为一个趋势,其中博客发挥了至关重要的作用主要在招聘科技人员。

Tech recruitments are tough for all.科技是艰难的征聘所有。 The big Indian services companies (TCS, Infosys, Wipro, HCL, Accenture, IBM) which are hiring armies of engineers every year, tackle this issue by having a big corporate recruitment department, with a sizable budget at its disposal.印度最大的服务公司(塔塔咨询服务公司, Infosys公司, Wipro公司, HCL中,埃森哲, IBM公司) ,这是军队聘用的工程师,每年解决这一问题有一个大型企业招聘部门,以可观的预算在其处置。 Smaller companies use a combination of recruitment methods, with online job portals being an important part of mix.小公司使用相结合的招聘方式,与网上招聘门户网站作为一个重要组成部分组合。 I have myself used naukri.com frequently and while we were able to hire some engineers initially, Naukri has now outgrown its utility and is of little use.我有我自己经常使用naukri.com而我们能够聘请一些工程师最初Naukri现在已经超出其效用,是没有多大用处。 Its ’signal to noise ratio’ is completely hopeless and searching for good employees is like searching for a needle in the haystack. In fact, the very medium (of job portals) has started acting as a self defeating filter with the most talented people simply not being present there, or are oblivious to these portals.'信噪比'是完全无望,寻找良好的员工就像是寻找一根针在大海捞针事实上, 非常介质(就业门户网站)已经开始作为一个战胜自我的过滤器最有才华的人根本不存在,或者是忘记这些门户网站。

My own startup must be amongst the early Indian adopters of overseas blogcentric jobboards. 我自己的启动必定是印度早期采纳者的海外blogcentric jobboards 。 Sometime in the middle of last year, we had advertised on the 37Signals jobboard for hiring developers in New Delhi.有时在去年年中,我们已公布的37Signals jobboard聘用开发商在新德里举行。 It cost us 200$ (which incidentally is quite a bit, specially for a small company).它花费我们200美元(这是偶然了不少,特别是为一家小公司) 。 The ads resulted in a small bunch of seriously good developers applying to us; while we did not end up hiring anybody from that lot, we still think it was worth the effort.这些广告造成了小一束严重良好的开发适用于我们,而我们没有最终聘用任何人从很多,但我们仍然认为这是值得的努力。 To build world class software, you need world class developers and if the ads are expensive, so be it. (since then, I have received quite a few emails from people contemplating similar ads and wanting to know about our experience) .要建设世界一流的软件,则需要世界一流的开发商,如果广告是昂贵的,所以它。 (自那时以来,我收到了不少电子邮件的人类似的广告,并想了解我们的经验) 。

Clichéd as it may sound, GOOD PEOPLE CAN MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. Clichà © d视它可能健全,良好的人可以大有作为。 And as Fred Brooks wrote in ‘The Mythical Man Months’ , his all time classic on software project mgmt, the unitary principles do not apply to software development (specially for product companies).弗雷德布鲁克斯了€ 〜神话般的人Monthsâ € ™ ,他的所有时间经典的软件项目转移酶,统一的原则并不适用于软件开发(特别是产品的公司) 。 Having experienced this personally, I reflected on this issue earlier in this post on my personal blog ‘Nine women cannot deliver a baby in one month’ .在经历这一个人而言,我反映的这个问题早些时候在这个职位上我的个人博客â € 〜 9个妇女不能提供一个婴儿在一个monthâ € ™ Here’sa quotation from the book that will explain this best - “..what is of immense relevance to smaller software teams, is an obvious implication of the Brooks’ Law ie it will be more productive to employ a smaller number of very talented programmers on a project than to employ a larger number of less talented programmers, since individual programmer productivity can vary by a factor of ten between highly talented and efficient programmers and less talented programmers….â€下面引用这本书将解释这一点最好的-一个€ Œ . .什么是巨大的相关性较小的软件团队,是一个明显的暗示的B rooks†™法即将更有成效雇用人数较少程序员非常有才华的一个项目,而不是采用了大量的人才少程序员,程序员,因为个人的生产力可以由不同的因素之间的10个高度人才和高效率的编程人员和不到人才programmersâ € | 。 â €

So if you are a Indian technology company looking to recruit the best developers, managers etc, give the following jobboards a serious thought.所以,如果你是一个印度的科技公司希望招募最好的开发者,管理者等,提供以下jobboards一个严重的思想。 All these jobboards are hosted on very high traffic & globally popular blogs.所有这些jobboards存放在非常高的交通与全球流行的博客。 And a sizable chunk of their readerships is from Indians, either in India or abroad, with many of them (to use another cliché) being the ‘alpha amongst their species’.和一个相当大的读者群是由印度人,无论是在印度或国外,其中许多人(使用另一个clichà © )目前在A € 〜字母之间的speciesâ € ™ 。 Thus the blogs will behave as an automatic filter and ensure that you get a small but meaningful set of resumes to act upon.因此,博客将表现为一个自动过滤器,并确保你一个规模虽小但有意义的简历就采取了行动。

joel.jpg You’d need to pay 50$ per post and can pay by credit card. Youâ € ™ d需要支付50 $每个哨所,并可以通过信用卡付款。 Good for developers, coders, engineers etc.良好的开发,程序员,工程师等

tc.jpg It costs 200$; this could work if you are looking for engineers, marketing folks, startup founders etc.它的费用200美元,这可以工作,如果您正在寻找工程师,营销人,启动创建等

37.jpg This will set you back by $300; good for developers, designers etc这将设置你回到了300美元;良好的开发商,设计师等

gg.jpg This costs $200 per post; give Gigaom’s focus, this would make sense for telecom professionals.这费用200美元后,给予Gigaomâ € ™语的重点,这将使意义的电信专业人员。

And that’s not all, you now also have jobboards on Indian blogs like ContentSutra, Alootechie, Watblog.和thatâ € ™不是所有的,你现在还jobboards印度博客像ContentSutra , Alootechie , Watblog 。



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  1. Arun on Apr 28, 2007 阿伦2007年4月28日

    The job board was launched quite sometime back (Mar 25ish) and there are very very few ads.董事会的职务是相当某个时候推出后( 3月25ish ) ,并有非常非常少的广告。

  2. Vikas Patial on Apr 28, 2007 维卡斯Patial二零零七年四月二十八日

    Why doesn’t Webyantra do the same为什么没有Webyantra做同样 ; ) .

    On the other hand ill agree with PoV on naukri and its likes , if you post a resume there u are guaranteed to get SPAMd , and i believe most decently good people never actually never need to do so.另一方面病人同意就naukri过氧化值和喜欢,如果你简历后有吕,保证让SPAMd ,我认为最体面的善良的人实际上从未从来没有需要这样做。
    On the other hand being a recruiter and going though all those resumes, taking interviews and still finding no one is precious time wasted.另一方面是招聘去虽然所有那些简历,同时约谈和调查仍没有人宝贵的时间浪费。

    This targeted approach is any day better , as most passionate s/w professionals keep themself updated and on the other hand people who just work for money and have no interest post on Naukri :).这种有针对性的办法是更好的任何一天,作为最有激情的S /瓦特的专业人员保持themself更新,另一方面人们谁刚刚工作的钱和没有兴趣职位Naukri : ) 。

  3. Big V on Apr 29, 2007 大V在 07年4月29号

    I am surprised why the big recruiting companies don’t get it.我很惊讶,为什么大公司的招聘没有得到它。 Every company gives its employees a referral bonus for hiring.每家公司给员工推荐奖金聘用。 And yet - these guys go build a mass market crap of resume databases.但是-这些家伙去建立一个大众市场掷骰子的恢复数据库。 I personally like the jobster (www.jobster.com) model.我个人喜欢jobster ( www.jobster.com )模型。 Its way more efficient, personal and likely to yield high-quality candidates.其方法更有效,个人和可能产生高品质的候选人。

  4. amit on Apr 30, 2007 阿米特2007年4月三十零日

    Arun,阿伦,

    Thats the entire point; only few people will advertise there and a few people will search for jobs there…多数民众赞成在整个点;只有少数人会做宣传,并有不少人将搜索工作有...

    amit阿米特

  5. Rohitesh on Apr 30, 2007 Rohitesh关于2007年四月三十日

    Errrr, I have a question : Errrr ,我有一个问题:

    If the Big companies like InfoSys, Wipro, etc. hire through their own HR teams, and the small firms cannot afford Naukri/Monster, then WHO exactly uses their services???如果大公司如Infosys公司, Wipro公司,雇用等通过自己的人力资源队伍,和小型企业无法承受Naukri /怪物,然后世卫组织正是利用他们的服务吗? ? ? I mean, these guys, DO make money, right?我的意思是,这些家伙,溶解氧赚钱,对不对? So, who are their clients?所以,谁是他们的客户?

    Cheers,干杯,
    R

  6. amit on Apr 30, 2007 阿米特2007年4月三十零日

    Rohitesh, Rohitesh ,

    I wasn’t at all suggesting that small firms cannot afford naukri/monster; these sites are very affordable.我不是在所有这表明小企业负担不起naukri /怪物;这些网站是非常低廉。

    Problem is that of unrelevant resumes that get sent in response to each ad.问题是,这unrelevant简历发送针对每个广告。 If I put out an ad on naukri today, I think within the next week, I will get at least 5000 resumes, 99% of which are irrelevant.如果我提出了一个广告naukri今天,我想在下周,我将得到至少5000恢复, 99 %是无关紧要的。 the problem is the effort, that is needed to sort out the 1% relevant ones.这个问题的努力,这是需要理清的1 % ,相关的。

    amit阿米特

  7. maneck on May 1, 2007 maneck关于2007年5月1

    I don’t think it’s true to say that an ad on naukri will return 99% irrelevant resumes.我不认为这是真的说,广告上naukri将返回99 %的不相干的简历。 That’s just plain incorrect.这只是纯不正确的。

    You need the consider the type of job that is being advertised.你需要考虑的类型的工作,目前正在公布。 As with any form of open market some ads will yield more and better results than others.如同任何形式的公开市场一些广告将产生更多和更好的结果比其他国家。

    Based on our recent research the average employer posting a job on naukri is happy with quantity and more importantly quality of applicants received.根据我们最近的研究平均雇主张贴上naukri工作是满意的数量和质量更重要的申请人收到。

    Having said this, an employer may have better results sourcing a web 2.0 technical director with Silicon valley experience by advertising on the 37signals job board, but that’s just the nature of the business and free market economies.话虽如此,雇主可能有更好的结果采购网络2.0的技术总监与硅谷的经验上刊登广告工作的37signals董事会,不过这只是性质的商业和自由市场经济。

    To make a general comment that 99% of Naukri applicants are irrelevant is just plain incorrect.作一般性评论, 99 %的Naukri申请人无关仅仅是平原不正确的。

    maneck mohan - http://www.recruit.net maneck汉-h ttp://www.recruit.net

  8. Manish on May 5, 2007 曼尼2007五月5

    How do you guarantee that only or most of the “quality” applications will be recieved using this medium??你怎么保证唯一或大部分的“质量”的应用将得到利用这个媒介? ?

  9. Roj Niyogi on May 5, 2007 维尔斯Niyogi关于2007年5月5日

    Not many programmers frequent the same kind of sites that enterpreneurs and business professionals do.没有多少程序员频繁同类网站,企业家和商务人士做。 If this site had a job board - I think it would be best suited for those looking for sales/marketing folks more so than developers.如果这个网站有工作板-我觉得这是最适合那些寻找销售/市场营销,使更多的人比开发商。

    There are not many positions on joelonsoftware - but as it’s about quality not quantity, that’s all that really matters!有没有太多的立场joelonsoftware -但因为它是质量而不是数量,这是所有真正重要的!

    Small and powerful teams rule large, mediocre ones!小和强大的团队规则大,平庸的!

  10. Preetham Venky on May 6, 2007 Preetham Venky关于2007年5月6号

    Very insightful article.非常见地的文章。 It seems more true now than ever that ‘quality’ (like in many other areas) more than ‘quantity’ is the need of the hour.它似乎更真实现在比以往任何时候都'质量' (像其他许多领域)多于'数量'是需要时间。 Great article, would definitely follow this blog …大文章,一定会遵循这一博客...

  11. Yuva on May 9, 2007 青年组织2007年5月9

    share your view..同意你的看法.. personally, I think Linked.com approach is good, its personal and community driving.个人而言,我认为Linked.com做法是好的,其个人和社区驾驶。 i suggest nakuri to explore similar options.我建议nakuri探索类似的选择。

    another options,..另一种选择, .. big companies should move away from tier-1,2 university.大企业应摆脱级- 1 , 2大学。 that will creating more loyal employee base.这将创造更多的忠诚的雇员基础。 (example: a person from IIT is most likely to quit infosys with-in couple of year for MBA then say BE from some southern India private college). (例如:一个人从印度理工大学是最有可能退出与Infosys公司的几个一年的MBA然后说是从印度南部的一些私立学院) 。 anyways, India IT companies are spending more in training then their international counterparts.反正,印度IT公司都花费更多的培训然后他们的国际同行。 I hope they are using their HR database for some analysis.我希望他们利用自己的人力资源数据库的一些分析。

  12. Job Blogger on Jun 12, 2007 求职的Blogger07年6月12日

    Nice Article.Even I was also not aware about this initiative of Joel.But it does not seem too active at the moment.尼斯Article.Even我还没有意识到对这一倡议的Joel.But似乎没有太多积极的时刻。

    As compared to all the other Job Blogs, we are offering Postings for FREE as of now and our subscriber base is also not that bad.相比所有其他工作博客,我们提供免费投寄到现在为止,我们的用户群也并不坏。

    Happy Job Hunting !!快乐求职!

  13. ashtoush on Jun 18, 2007 ashtoush关于2007年六月十八日

    What are the quality engineers really looking for when they seek employment?什么是质量工程师真的很为他们寻求就业机会?

  14. jonnyoiu on Aug 29, 2007 jonnyoiu2007年8月29日

    Anyone tried nvest free money into real estate property?任何试图nvest自由资金投入房地产?
    I guess investment into real estate worldwide can be the best investment in your life.我想投资到世界各地的房地产可以成为最好的投资在您的生活。 Real estate is good because it is like gold.房地产是好事,因为它是黄金。

  15. dr e on Apr 27, 2008 博士E对 2008年4月27日

    novatech bangalore is a fraud e recruitment agency.it takes money from you for recruitment abroad and then just lies lies novatech班加罗尔是一个骗局é招聘agency.it需要钱你在国外招募,然后就在于谎言

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